WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION GROUP FOR THE BOOK "THE GENIUS IN ALL OF US" BY DAVID SHENK. PROMPTS AND POSTS ARE STUDENT GENERATED. THIS IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS THAT CONNECT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION WITH THE BIOLOGICAL CONCEPTS (LIKE GENETICS AND EPIGENETICS) AND THEMES DISCUSSED IN OUR COURSE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE BOOK ALSO PROVIDES A NICE CONNECTION TO THE SOCIAL EMOTIONAL LEARNING STRATEGIES EMPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE.
Friday, March 30, 2012
Argument- The Puzzle Test
Why did the children praised for their intelligence chose the easier puzzle? Why did the children praised for hard work choose the more difficult puzzle? Does this experiment support the argument of a growth mindset? How does the environmental factor of praise affect the progress of children? Could this praise lead to cyclic behavior?
Argument- The Marshmallow Test
How does this experiment support Shenk's main argument and how does it go against his main argument? If the same study were conducted again with the same subjects, how might their behavior differ? Use you knowledge of animal behavior and classical/operant conditioning. Also, how does the second part of the experiment (141), demonstrate Shenk's philosophy of of GxE?
Jonah May (jonah2020@aol.com)
Argument - Culture of Excellence
Compare this to the theme of interdependence in nature, how would this ideal to become more intelligent in a society push an individual to become better? Do you think Stevenson fosters the same ideals to prepare students for college? Where does the drive to become smarter come from, Stevenson or family? What would happen if the smartest students at Stevenson were transfered to a less competitive school, would they continue to excel and help bring the new community of students to become more competitive? Or will the students at the less competitive high school lose their motivation and stop trying as hard? Will the transferred Stevenson student stop their progress and blend in culture around them? How would Stevenson suffer or become better if the smartest students left? How would this disturbance influence both Stevenson and the less competitive school (Look at 54.3 in Campbell)?
Ayana Dambaeva (adambaeva@gmail.com)
Thursday, March 29, 2012
Argument- Black Power
Argument- IQ Fluke
Nathan Ro (nathanro94@gmail.com)
Argument-Competition
How is competition between humans different from competitions in the animal world. Are there any similarities between the two? What types of results come from such types of comeptition?
Wednesday, March 28, 2012
Argument: teaching an old dog new tricks
Tuesday, March 27, 2012
Evidence
Do you think either environment or genetics has more weight in the equation or are they equal? How does evolution account for both environment and genetics? What about Mendelian genetics is inaccurate?
Gabriella Veytsel (geminizire@hotmail.com)Argument
One of the most convincing arguments in the book for me has been the story of Ted Williams. It’s tempting to attribute someone’s skill to an innate ability so that you don’t have to face the idea that someone is better than you just because they work harder. This idea undermines people’s potential and their effort. It is essentially saying that “your intelligence [or ability] is something you were given, not something you earned” (Shenk 39). It’s much easier to say that they have a natural ability, which would then excuse you from your own lack of achievement. On the other hand, the idea that you could reach such ability with “a passion to aim consistently just beyond one’s capability so that daily disappointment and failure is actually desired, and a never-ending resolve to dust oneself off and try again and again and again” (Shenk 67) is, besides extremely daunting, an idea that is quite inspirational.
Do you think physical ability is differently achieved then mental ability? Can practice, which may be enough for a sport, be enough for learning? What would account for people’s different potentials? Where have you seen an example from biology that mirrors the cabdriver’s increasing size of their hypothalamus from memory practices? How could prodigies and geniuses be explained?
Argument-Training the Mind
How else can the environment affect a person's mind, and can a person's mind affect their physical capabilities? Hormones released by the brain might affect their body, and a person might also be able to push themselves more if they have a certain mindset, for example.
Monday, March 26, 2012
Argument - Mutations to Adaptions
Agnes Kwon (akwon0215@gmail.com)
Evidence (95)- Rage to Master
What kind of environment was it that stimulated this intense interest at such a young age? Using evidence, explain how you think this "rage to master" is formed. Winner calls it innate, Shenk calls it "a psychological mechanism forming out of some family/social/cultural dynamic" (292). Considering the theme of Interdependence in Nature, would something like competition keep this motivation going? What other factors could be the cause?
Agnes Kwon (akwon0215@gmail.com)
Argument-Speaking to Babies
-Akila Khan (starlight608@gmail.com)
Argument-Changing Bodies?
-Akila Khan (starlight608@gmail.com)
Sunday, March 25, 2012
The Argument-
The Evidence-Footnote #25
Friday, March 23, 2012
Evidence ~ Different Bodies of Identical Twins
How does this idea of having the environment shape the body relate to the theme of relationship between structure and function? If the environment is the same could people have the same body type if they followed an identical lifestyle? Do you think animals have the same ability to change body types due to the demand from the environment?
Argument- Gene Expression
The Evidence: Vocal Imprinting
In Footnote #94, Levitin and Deutsch of the University of California in San Diego believe that everyone is born with perfect pitch or absolute pitch. (pg. 288-291) They present evidence that the key to absolute pitch is early exposure to music. We can all differentiate between different pitches and may inherently know the difference between notes. However, the problem here is that we don’t know how to label them. Absolute pitch is pretty rare with only about 1:10,000 or 1:2,000 ratios of people having it in the general population. Absolute pitch is a skill of varying degree as well; we all have the innate ability to hear different pitches. The labeling comes with childhood training and development.
Like early imprinting of young geese caused them to recognize Lorenz as their mother in Chapter 51 of Campbell is that same concept to be applied to humans as well? Meaning, does imprinting at an early age really that essential like in those young geese? Is the evidence given by Deutsch enough to support the idea that early childhood exposure to music is important to developing absolute pitch?
Ellen Zhou (ellenzhou2006@gmail.com)
Evidence- Changes and Evolution
David Shenk makes it clear in his book that nothing is fixed and that we can become more intelligent. "[Some] assert that an individual's intelligence is a fixed quantity which cannot be increased. We must protest and react against this brutal pessimism" (198). Shenk also goes to say that natural intelligence "is "not directly measurable," that it is not one general ability which can be scored, and that is not inherently limiting" (231). According to these two statements Shenk has made, do you think that every human individual can succeed in knowing fully when they achieve their level of expertise? How do we know if there is no more room for one to become more intelligent and skills to be modified, for example, when an individual reaches a certain age or time?
Susie Shin (susieshin94@gmail.com)
The Argument: Artist Wars
In Chapter Nine there is a story about the rivalry between Leonardo Da Vinci and Michelangelo. According to Shenk, this rivalry, although brought on many nasty insults and heavy competition between these two geniuses, supposed brought out the greatness and the genius behind their great works whether it is the Mona Lisa or the sculpture of David (pg. 144-146) We already know that the environment effects the way we develop and not solely reliant on genetics as explored by previous chapters. However, in this chapter the question on how we attempt to build a society that fosters genius. Shenk is suggesting that a competitive environment is the best way for everyone to have a chance to develop their own genius.
We learn in biology about interdependence in nature and how competition is important to contributing to the stability and growth of an ecosystem. Therefore, does that mean competition is also essential in fostering growth of a community of people as well? Consider the different factors that come with competition such as motivation levels and personality type. How can we insure that all different types of people can foster in such an environment? Although Shenk cites the Greeks and their public forums as an example of how the community fosters competition for human development, can it work in the modern world with our communities being much larger or are our communities much too diverse? (pg. 148)
Ellen Zhou (ellenzhou2006@gmail.com)
The Evidence - We all have same African ancestors!
Kitae Seong (skt07071994@hotmail.com)
The Argument - Human Babies are Special!
Kitae Seong (skt07071994@hotmail.com)
Evidence: Why not learn/read as a newborn?
The Flynn effect shows that over year generation's IQ increases. As China's scores are above United States by average 30 points, should America try to get children to start learning at a younger age so we can catch up with the IQ gap of China and other countries that seem to be higher up in the IQ scale? If we want the future of our children to be successful and all be geniuses, why aren't these rules being implemented?
Sruthi Merneedi (gangasruthi@gmail.com)
How can we discover our individual potential?-Argument
Sruthi Merneedi (gangasruthi@gmail.com)
Evidence-The Termites
Was Terman's experiment proof that environment has a large influence on a person's development? Was his experimental design flawed so that the result wasn't accurate? Or could it be both?
Evidence - talent and money
Explain the correlation between money and talent here and how this displays the popular belief of talent as a natural ability.Using information from the book and themes of natural selection/evolution, argue the advantages (and disadvantages) of talent and the reason why talent may have seemed a type of genetic currency before the advent of the G*E theory.
Emily Reinherz...ereinherz@aol.com
Arguement - Maze Rats
Explain how these results correlate with G*E more than G+E. Additionally, what are the implications of these results on our society and our reaction towards delinquents or 'mess ups'? Do you believe that the science resented with this experiment and G*E will majorly effect the initiation of future prevention techniques rather than punishment techniques?
Emily Reinherz...ereinherz@aol.com
Evidence- Gene Expression
Given this information and what you already know about gene expression, discuss how this demonstrates that an organism's phenotype is an example of interdependence in nature. What significance does GxE hold for for diseases such as Type II Diabetes where an individual is more susceptible to the disease in a particular environment due to genetic factors? How does GxE relate to the concept of epigenetics?
-Jessica Hua (jhua33@yahoo.com)
Evidence- Is Talent Real?
To what extent is talent real? Is it healthy for parents and/or friends to push someone like Beethoven's father pushed him to become well known or the best at something? What are the benefits of depending on one another to become the best we can be?
Lili Malone (lilimalone@ameritech.net)
Argument- Overcoming limitations
What evidence from genetics and evolution demonstrates the growth mindset? Is there a certain point where a plateau has been reached and growth is no longer possible? Can we overcome our limitations through sheer willpower or are we limited by our biology? How are organisms that are able to grow and overcome limitations at an evolutionary advantage?
-Jessica Hua (jhua33@yahoo.com)
Evidence - Same attainable intelligence
"The Argument"- Evolutionary Motivation
David Shenk claims that motivation is key in increasing your personal IQ and succeeding in life. He refers to the 1981 movie Chariots of Fire to emphasize the stark differences of people with different motivating factors (121).
Do you think it is possible that motivation could be potentially passed down through genes? In the sense that one individual might have a higher propensity to be motivated than another. Would this be an evolutionary benefit?
-Sachin Vasikaran (sachinvasikaran@gmail.com)
Argument-The Child Has No Choice?
Was it right for their parents to force them into music at such a young age? At that point in their live, they do not know enough about the world around them to think about what they will do when they grow up, yet their parents, by constantly making them study one thing, have limited their child's future because now their child only studies one thing. Is it okay for parents to choose their child's life for them? Future experiences, for example, might have shaped their children through GXE to become something else that they chose for themselves, instead of something chosen by their parents.
Evidence: Fruit Flies vs. Humans
Argument- Stereotypes
Even though we know that stereotypes aren't necessarily true, there has to be some truth to them for us to create these stereotypes. For example, many of the best long distance runners are Kenyan. Is their beneficial body type and ability genetic or environmental? What certain traits constitute as genetic or environmental? What kind of environmental factors could possibly affect genetically inherited traits? Can some of these truthful stereotypes become genetic if they continue to be common among certain ethnic groups?
Lili Malone (lilimalone@ameritech.net)
Evidence - Where's the line?
Thursday, March 22, 2012
Evidence: How to measure Intelligence
Evidence- An entirely new understanding of Genes
Argument- Human Biology is a Jukebox
Evidence-Work Hard For Your Grandkids
Will this change in genetic makeup necessarily be advantageous to future generations? Why might they not be advantageous? If a family is made up of all skilled athletes, why might a future offspring not excel as an athlete? In your response, comment on the relationship between epigenetics and evolution.
Jonah May (Jonah2020@aol.com)
The Argument: Factors of Environmental Factors
Argument: It's a Process
In the first chapter, Shenk talks about the extraordinary talent of Ted Williams and how he was “considered the most ‘gifted’ hitter of his time” (5). He was thought “to have laser-like eyesight,” which would allow him “to read the spin of a ball as it left the pitcher’s fingers and to gauge exactly where it would pass over the plate”(5-6). Yet Shenk argued that Ted Williams was a perfectly normal person, with just an uncanny motivation to practice, practice, and practice. Williams saw greatness not as a thing, but as “a process” (7). When Ted enlisted in the navy, mandatory eye exams revealed his vision to be “well within ordinary human range” (9). Shenk also explains how “most underachievers…have so far been unable to tap into their true potential” (11).
What do you think David Shenk means when he talks about how most underachievers have not been able to tap into their true potential? Was Ted Williams able to achieve this feat? Along with superior practice techniques, can evolution, such as mutations, also be beneficial for ones achievements? And how can it help? And do you think natural selection works for people without genetic advantages such as Ted Williams? And if so, how does it?
-Arjun Ahuja (aahuja12@gmail.com)
Argument- What Was Mendel Thinking?
What causes the variation in trait predictability? Is Mendel's approach to genetics incorrect? Do you foresee a day that more complex traits can be predicted? In your response, comment on the types of traits that Mendel first observed (Campbell 262-269). Also, comment on the number of genes/proteins involved in simple traits such as hair color versus the number of genes/proteins involved in complex traits such as personality.
Jonah May (Jonah2020@aol.com)
Evidence: Human Evolution...
-Diane Kuai
(dianekuai@gmail.com)
Evidence - Savants
Savants have some amazing abilities that would give them a very good chance at success in life, but unfortunately these savants have hindering mental disabilities that come with these mental super-abilities. Are these savant skills able to be unlocked in any person? Are they only caused by these genetic mental problems, or is there an environmental force at play, just like with any other trait according to the GxE model? If so, are savant skills and otherwise normal mental functions mutually exclusive? Why would prodigious savants be so rare if there indeed was an environmental cause? And if these traits hypothetically could be produced in any person, is it moral to push a child down a path with a certain savant ability to give them an amazing and rare chance at extraordinary achievement, or should they be left to their own choices?
David Whisler (dwhis428@gmail.com)
Argument - A Parent's Responsibility
This being said, parents, being the most present influence in a child's life, have an enormous potential to shape their child's personality - for better or for worse. The recent discovery of the epigenome that is exponentially more complex than the traditional genome proves that a parent's own lifestyle choices and environmental influences can be passed down to future generations. The parent's role in their child's future is enormous. With this knowledge in mind, should parents actively try to plan for their child's future? How would they be able to carefully select the right environmental influences to give their child the best characteristics possible for success? And with the possibility of epigenetic markers from a parent's own good or bad life decisions being passed down, should they actively make the best decisions for their child's future? Is this level of planning even possible at all? Or should they just leave it to chance, knowing that these interactions are likely too complex to directly plan for?
David Whisler (dwhis428@gmail.com)
Argument: Is cloning impossible?
Evidence: Continuity of Life
What would be an example of how intelligence is merely a snapshot in time? We know that life is an ongoing process. That being said, what are some evolutionary advantages of utilizing motivation as a driving force for self-betterment. How does this concept change the way we should look at our individual lives? (Hint: Continuity and Change is one of our 6 themes of biology- use this to formulate your response)
(Jane Rose)
Argument- Regulating Environment
Evidence-Memory
Do you believe that having a perfect memory is an evolutionary advantage? A flaw? Do you think that forgetfulness is actually helping you by allowing you to erase useless information? If given the choice, would you want to have such an ability? Why?
Vlad Miskevich (vladmiskevich@yahoo.com)
Argument- Are Nature and Nurture Reversed?
If we don't have as much control over our environment than we think, how is human evolution different from the natural selection that dictates the rest of the world? Other animals truly don't have much control over what influences them, but humans are different in that regard. But does this mean that humans are less "free" than we like to think because our environment restricts us? Which oppresses us more than? Genetics or the habits that shape our environment?
Agnes Kwon (akwon0215@gmail.com)
Physically fit for talent - Argument
If this is true, what kind of physical changes can occur and how long would they take? Can anyone decide that they are going to start practicing at something, and have their body and brain start changing? Does a faster changing and adapting body and brain make someone more skilled than another, and does starting with certain natural physical attributes for their skill propel that person forward at the start?
(Kenny Nelson) kenny@shimanek.org
Wednesday, March 21, 2012
Evidence-Undefined Intelligence
Does this mean that there is no way to classify how intelligent a human being is? How would you test intelligence if you could? Does intelligence come from nature or nurture? Both? Does how a person performs on a written test reflect the DNA passed on from their parents? Does this passing of DNA stay relatively constant in relation to intelligence, or does it change from offspring to offspring?
(Anisha Ghosh) nishx6@aim.com
Is the Future Smarter?
If Mozart's father hadn't given him that much attention, do you think he would've become a prodigy? Why or why not? We know that children inherit some traits from their mother, and some from their father according to a scientist named Mendel. Could this have had any influence of Mozart's extroidinary abilities? Do you think as time goes on, evolution makes it possible for human beings to do things that couldn't be done in the past?
(Anisha Ghosh nishx6@aim.com)
Evidence- Jacked like Schwarzenegger
Argument- Mendelian Genetics
Argument- The End of Giftedness
Why do you think it is easier for people to remember a sequence of small groups of numbers and difficult to remember a long chain of them? How could this have evolutionarily helped our ancestors in the past? Explain why you think some people are capable of remembering nearly every word said during a class period whereas others can barely grasp the previous sentence?
Vlad Miskevich (vladmiskevich@yahoo.com)
The Evidence: Innate Ability vs. Training
Winner argued that gifted children have a deep intrinsic motivation to achieve, are independent, and have naturally hard-working parents. She said that these gifted children all had these abilities due to innate ability or nature over nurture.
Do you agree with Winner about how innate ability may play a larger role over nurture and working hard to learn? Due you believe that children are born "gifted", or does their environment and upbringing control their "gifts" or talents? Or do you think it is a mix of both? Explain.
The Argument: Genetics in Relation to Athleticism
What does the gene alpha-actinin-3 actually do? What actually causes certain populations to be better at a sport than other populations? Do you think certain abilities have evolved more in African countries as opposed to North American or European countries due to natural selection? Give an example. Are racial and ethnic groups generally genetically different? Overall, do you think genetics or something else allows for some populations to produce better athletes than other populations?
Tuesday, March 20, 2012
The Evidence- Intellegence is Now a Sound
How do you see the misinterpretation of the word intellegence? How can his definition be used as a globally accepted definition? How does this connect to the idea of growth mindset and the ever-changing, and superficial definition of intellegence that has been develping?
Hannah Perl (hannahperl94@gmail.com)
The Argument- The Irony of Talent
How is state of mind related to that quote and the growth based mindset exemplified through this quote?
Also how is the idea of perserverence and the idea of minds who seek out knowledge instead of comfort shown in this section of the Argument. How does the affect of a natural inclination affect the work ethic of humans and how does this change the courses of choices they could potentially take in an effort to remain in the higher mind set? Also note the irony of the situation and the idea of setteling that is presented in this section.
Hannah Perl (hannahperl94@gmail.com)
Evidence-Geniuses are just lucky people?
Argument-Let's all go to Kenya!
Monday, March 19, 2012
Evidence-The Influence of Culture-Footnote #105
To what extent does our culture influence our motivation and achievement? Do the population dynamics of a culture such as age structure, population density, infant mortality, or life expectancy play a role in that culture's achievement? (See Chapter 53 in Campbell). If so, how? If not, why not?
Akila Khan (starlight608@gmail.com)
Argument-The Power of Epigenetics?
We have learned that histones and chromatin play a role in gene transcription and expression. How might environmental influences physically change an organism's histones to regulate the expression of a certain gene? (see Chapter 18 in Campbell p.356-358). What implications does the malleability of our epigenomes have on our lifestyles, from what we eat, to the chemicals we use, to how we study? Do you think there are any limitations on the kinds of traits that your epigenome can influence?
Akila Khan (starlight608@gmail.com)
Early Learning = Better Learning?
Sunday, March 18, 2012
Argument ~ Taxi drivers
How do you think the GPS is affecting the brains of the new generation of taxi drivers who might not need to learn as much information as the generation that did not have access to GPS? Do you think taxi drivers have a better sense of direction in an unfamiliar setting then another person with a less developed hippocampus? Does having a larger hippocampus help the individual have an easier time learning another skill?Is it possible that taxi drivers just memorize where the streets are or do you think the create a cognitive map in their mind to aid them when driving? Try looking in chapter 51.2 to refresh the different styles of learning
Ayana Dambaeva (adambaeva@gmail.com)
Evidence- Footnote #94
The Argument- Abiotic v. Biotic
Saturday, March 17, 2012
How Many Genes Are There Really?
How is the number of genes low for our species? Why is the number of genes that code for proteins so low in our species? (Explain how the number is so low (i.e. what happens within genome to make it so low)). Does the gene number of any other species come close to ours? Explain Shenk's metaphor of how genes are like volume knobs and switches. (Regan Frieling, regan1995@yahoo.com).
Monday, March 12, 2012
Genes don't Dominate???
Also, Shenk also states that "'children develop only as the environment demands development." (47) For example, Shenk stated one of the big reasons of Mozart's greatness was that he was "expected to be the pride and financial engine of the family." (63) Do you think then that having wealth, security, and complacency surrounding you is actually an evolutionary disadvantage?
Sara Lee
(yoojin3795@hotmail.com)
Argument
The Secret to Genetics Uncovered?!?!
What types of biotechnology have we learned about that allow us to accurately know when, which, how, and the functions of each cell? How do you think that knowing these things will apply to understanding the traits, the "temperament, intelligence, and talent" (32) of individuals? How do you think that this knowledge can be combined with our knowledge of the environment to even further understand the complexity of genetics?
Sara Lee
(yoojin3795@hotmail.com)
Sunday, March 11, 2012
Why Is Track And Field Dominated by Jamaicans?
How does Shenk's discussion of the Jamaican lifestyle demonstrate natural selection/evolution? In what other instances could mind set influence an adaptation or give advantages to an organism? What are some similarities and differences between different races? Will other countries be able to produce as great of track and field athletes as Jamaica? Explain. (Regan Frieling, regan1995@yahoo.com)
Argument
Saturday, March 10, 2012
Is Genius Inborn Or Does It Come From The Environment Surrounding Us?
Shenk talks about Mozart and how he was able to surpass the musical limits of other kids his age due to the resources he had around him which included his family members and their musical backgrounds. He began composing and playing music as soon as he was able to at the age of three; however, he would only copy music he had heard previously. It wasn’t until a later age that he started to implement his own themes and style (60-64).
In the case of Mozart, could this form of learning be considered imprinting? Also, determine what kind of learning this is, operant or conditional. Include what imprinting is and how you came upon your conclusion. Are there any other instances where this kind of learning happens? (Regan Frieling, regan1995@yahoo.com)
Argument
What are your limits?
In the case of the college student, is strategic thinking favored by natural selection in every situation that it is presented in? Give examples and explain how they are or are not favored by natural selection. Do you think there are limits to the human body or are there ways to get past all the common limitations that are placed on the body now? Explain how genes can be involved in helping get past limitations.
(Regan Frieling, regan1995@yahoo.com)
Argument
Wednesday, March 7, 2012
GXE vs G+E
"A hundred cooks may start out with nearly the same ingredients but will in the end produce very different cakes" (23). Why and how did the maze rat experiment demonstrate the GXE theory and why is this significant to modern day biology? What other examples can you find that support the newest paradigm? Do you agree with the idea that "every level influenc[es] every other output" (Shenk 33) as shown in the diagram on page 33? Why or why not? (Jane Rose) How does this change or enhance our knowledge of evolution as a biological theme?