Compare this idea of the strong influence of the environment to the theme of interdependence in nature. Do you think everyone will have the ability to become a strong fighter or runner even trained properly? What kind of impact does this training have on the genes? How healthy do you think the children of the fighters will be?
WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION GROUP FOR THE BOOK "THE GENIUS IN ALL OF US" BY DAVID SHENK. PROMPTS AND POSTS ARE STUDENT GENERATED. THIS IS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT TO ENGAGE IN DISCUSSIONS THAT CONNECT THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION WITH THE BIOLOGICAL CONCEPTS (LIKE GENETICS AND EPIGENETICS) AND THEMES DISCUSSED IN OUR COURSE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THE BOOK ALSO PROVIDES A NICE CONNECTION TO THE SOCIAL EMOTIONAL LEARNING STRATEGIES EMPLOYED THROUGHOUT THE COURSE.
Friday, April 13, 2012
Argument -- Competition
Compare this idea of the strong influence of the environment to the theme of interdependence in nature. Do you think everyone will have the ability to become a strong fighter or runner even trained properly? What kind of impact does this training have on the genes? How healthy do you think the children of the fighters will be?
Thursday, April 12, 2012
Argument - Location location location
Does this, then, also apply to us? Does being raised in Illinois versus the UK change how our development could have occurred? What could possibly be the cause of these differences based solely on location? And would it then, in turn, be beneficial for our children to move to certain areas in order to raise them to be the best they can be?
Argument
Shenk dispels the idea of cultural superiority in chapter 6. I thought this was of great relevance to our school because there’s not a day where I don’t hear some stereotype about some ethnicity being tied to some level of intelligence. I’m not going to go into specifics, but we as a school like to attribute one’s intelligence to their race. One nationality specifically report having their own grading scale. An “A” for one person may be surprising or expected just based on race alone. I think Shenk’s point that there is “roughly 10 times more genetic variation within large populations than there is between populations” (Shenk 106). We need to stop justifying our own faults with external ideas like “oh, they’re just smarter than me because they’re (fill in the blank).” Like Shenk repeats numerous times, we often make excuses so we don’t have to face our shortcomings. We make it seem like our deficiency in intelligence is out of our control. Really, we’re just making excuses.” All human beings are descended from the same African ancestors” (Shenk 106) and we are more similar than we think. Therefore, cultural superiority or inferiority is, besides invalid, insulting.
Gabriella Veytsel (geminizire@hotmail.com)
Argument
Shenk’s of genetics multiplied by environment seems like the idea that we as a community grew up with. When we were asked, specifically in my AP Psych class, which determined a person’s identity, nature or nurture, most of us said both. Shenk’s formula, however, is much more interesting than genetics plus environment. Shenk described the experiments from the” temperature surrounding turtle and crocodile eggs determined their gender” (Shenk 30) to lizards changing color based on a blackened environment to locusts developing vastly more musculature than locusts in less crowded conditions. We thought that nature and nurture combined to form a person’s identity. Shenk explains that “nature/nature” must be replaced with a whole new term entirely, “dynamic development” (Shenk 33).
How would Shenk’s formula explain the process of natural selection? How would this influence Galton’s view on genetics? What makes gXe a more dynamic process than simply nature vs. nurture? How does this discovery influence the idea of intelligence or a lack thereof? Why are genetics and environment inseparable according to Shenk? Think of an example of dynamic development.
Gabriella Veytsel (geminizire@hotmail.com)
Argument – Conditioned Behavior
Evidence - Competition vs. Determinism
Argument – Practice Makes Perfect
Argument - Effect of Cultural Patterns on Gene Selection
Argument - Heredity altering lifestyles
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Argument- What made IQ score increase?
If this test i something that can not be studied, what do you think is the catalyst for the dramatic improvements in the IQ test scores? Does school educaton help people to improve their IQ test score?
Argument: Cattle-raiding Kenyans
Argument: The Beauty of Effort
How does Eno's metaphor apply to "prodigies" such as Mozart and even the common man. How can this apply to the theme of Interdependence in Nature. What kind of environment best allows the human "seeds" to thrive? How does intense effort allow "nothing" to become "something?"
Laura Perlman (laura4@comcast.net)
Evidence
Why do you think practice so important to Shenk's argument? Is there proof of mental and physical changes in the body from practice? Also why is it that some people have to practice for a longer period of time to get the same task done, while for other's it's more simpler? How does practice change parts of our body as Shenk mentions and how does evolution play a role in this? Support(using biological theme) and give examples.
EVIDENCE- What does personality have to do with the genius in us?
Would you think that they should have an intelligence test on both of these identical twins along with a personality to test to see if having same genes proves the theory of having different personalities correct or wrong? Also for the animals that are cloned, is there specific tests that can tell your personality?
Ganga (gangasruthi@gmail.com)
Tuesday, April 10, 2012
Argument- The Accuracy of Tests
Argument- Granted or a Given?
Evidence- the younger sibling (62)
Can the timing of introduction to a subject truly cause greatness? Were Mozart and the Polgar sisters the beneficiaries of innate genius that allowed them to master their subjects, or was their accomplishment based on their achievement as young children. Were the younger, more accomplished siblings simply benefiting from the older siblings' knowledge of learning their respective subjects and their parents' knowledge of teaching their respective subjects? Would having more siblings increase the chance of achieving great accomplishment?
Laura Perlman (laura4@comcast.net)
Monday, April 9, 2012
Argument- The Illusion of Free Will
Can something so small as hitting your funny bone against a desk have enough impact to change the choices you make for the rest of your life? Can being bitten by a dog turn your world view upside down? Permanently change your attitude towards animals? If you believe the above examples would not create a sizable enough change, provide an example of an event you believe would demonstrate how the world around you can shape the choices you would have made for the rest of your life.
The Argument: One of a Kind
The Argument: One of a Kind
The crux of the argument for the entire book is that we have control over our genius. Even our own genetic code can be altered and changed by the environment and lifestyle we choose to live in. (pg. 163) Even small mice can manipulate their fur color by simply changing their diet. (pg. 159) It seems like choice have a bigger dictate over our lives than natural selection. That is what this whole book has been about, proving to us that our destiny has not been predetermine, instead we have the ability to shape the raw talent within us to become something greater through lifestyle changes with biological evidence such as epigenomes.
What question that really is begging to be asked is what makes us, humans so special? Choice in changing our destiny seemed to always put us apart from animals but with discovery of epigenomes that kind of changes that perspective. What differentiates us from other animals, when their choices can affect their success and failure in life as well? Or are we more closely related to our primate friends than we believe to be?
Ellen Zhou (ellenzhou2006@gmail.com)
Argument- Child Raising
Argument-Greatness needs Competition
Do you think competition leads to greater success? Or do you think people can achieve this level of success without competition? Is the education system today too soft? If so, does this prevent society from advancing? Do you think competition has affected evolution and the way humans have adapted and grown? How so?
Anisha Ghosh (anishaghosh16@gmail.com)
The Argument: Flexible Heritage
The Argument: Flexible Heritage
In Chapter 10, Shenk mentions this idea of Lamarckism which was this hypothesis of Jean-Baptiste de Lamarck, a French biologist who believed that inheritance could also be used to inherit certain characteristics as well. (pg. 155-159) This is different than the whole idea of natural selection where the reason why, for example, a giraffe has a long neck is because that giraffes with that genetic mutation that causes them to have longer necks cause them to survive. This is an idea that is well established in many biology books, this idea of “survival of the fittest”. (Chapter 22 of Campbell) It is also a well-established major theme of biology of continuity and change with natural selection. However, with the discovery of epigenomes does the whole idea of genetic mutations get thrown out the window?
With the introduction of epigenomes we now know appearances can be altered without the DNA itself actually being altered. (pg. 159) Does that mean that maybe are whole idea of genetic mutation being the crux of changes in evolutionary behavior is rendered false? Since epigenomes are mostly decided by environmental factors, does that mean that most “mutations” or evolutionary characteristics are mostly environmentally caused, not just perchance?
Ellen Zhou (ellenzhou2006@gmail.com)
Argument - Appreciating Failure
How do you think failures should be explained and addressed to young children? Is it beneficial to focus on failure, or should the focus be on the successes a child has? Does focus on failure increase motivation in children, or does it catapult them into hopelessness? What is the evolutionary basis for a focus on mistakes and failures, and how can this be applied to help children become as successful as they can? Is the ability to focus on failure and past mistakes due to environmental factors, genetic factors, or a combination of both according to Shenk?
David Whisler (dwhis428@gmail.com)
Argument- Mind over Matter
How do you believe the ability to affect performance using ones mind set allowed our ancestors to survive in the wild? Could it have acted as a disadvantage in some ways? Do you believe that your personal mind-set has ever helped you perform better in a sport or on a test? Has it ever harmed your performance?
Vlad Miskevich (vladmiskevich@yahoo.com)
Argument - Perfect Age?
So, with the widely varying ages at which great achievers gain their talents, what do you think is the "perfect" age to start working on potential talents? Is there a scientific basis on when the human brain is the most malleable, and is the best time to start learning a new skill? Can you teach "an old dog new tricks"? Is trying to work on a skill at a more advanced age futile, or is the only important factor the mental discipline and determination? How do environmental and genetic factors play into all of this?
David Whisler (dwhis428@gmail.com)
Argument: Your attitude, not your aptitude, determines your ultimate altitude
Argument - The Difference of a Mentor
Do you think a mentor or "teacher" is necessary in order to obtain success? Do you agree or disagree with Shenk's point that a mentor helps facilitate and breed a person's interest in any given subject? Is there a psychological impact that older mentors have on growing individuals? Reference either Campbell or an online source when answering. Can having a mentor possibly illicit some negative behavior or cause a person to stray from their own individual success?
Sachin Vasikaran (sachinvasikaran@gmail.com)
Argument: Unfair Blame
Argument: Memory Tricks
When S.F. was given memory tests to determine how many numbers they could memorize and recite. After S.F practiced for over 250 hours, he was able to recite over 80 numbers after hearing them spoken in one second intervals. In addition, it was concluded that, "with practice... there is seemingly no limit to memory performance" (55). However, when he was tested with letters instead of numbers, his ability to memorize them reverted to a normal level, signifying that had not augmented his short term memory capacity. S.F. was able to memorize so many numbers by grouping them into fours and relating them to running times, which connected this new information to existing information he had about running.
What are the implications of expanding one's ability to recall information through the use of existing information in the brain? How is this technique similar and different to expanding one's memory? Are there any plausible ways to teach mnemonic devices and retrieval systems that can be widely applied or taught to students in order to increase the capacity to recall information for a generation?
Laura Perlman (laura4@comcast.net)
Sunday, April 8, 2012
Argument-Let's Change Our Genes
Does this mean that a person's lifestyle will affect future generations? How much of an impact will the structure and function of the epigenome have? Do you think people will be able to deliberately change their genes to benefit their children in the future? How? Do you think this discovery will make people work harder in order to achieve success for themselves and their kids?
Anisha Ghosh (anishaghosh16@gmail.com)
Argument- Plasticity
Does the concept of plasticity solely apply to humans? What evolutionary advantages does plasticity have? How does the idea of abilities coming from repeated experiences compare with animal learning processes that we learned about such as imprinting and operant/classical conditioning?
Jessica Hua (jhua33@yahoo.com)
Argument: IQ Test Retraction
Argument: Parents or Peers?
Argument: Why the Myth of Giftedness Still Exists
1.) The unexplained phenomena of child prodigies and "savants"
2.) The myth of genes as blueprints
3.) No compelling alternative
Based on these three ideas, Shenk seems to be saying that scientists in general have just accepted that giftedness exists because it is conveniently simple. Shenk then goes on to provide examples which should immediately shut down the the convenient idea of giftedness. After reading what Shenk has to say on the matter, do you still believe that some people are just naturally "gifted", or do you think there is more of a background to their talents? Explain. Cite examples from the book or just your own knowledge to support your answer.
Argument- Kenyan Training
Jessica Hua (jhua33@yahoo.com)
The Argument- Tests Put To The Test
At this point in his argument, Shenk is discussing the idea of Americans' obsession with an easy means of "classification". This obsession that has historically always been something that not only Americans feel the need to do. It is human nature to want to group things, in this case people, together by "class" so that they are more easily identifiable and easier to understand. This however, Shenk argues, is not fair or at all accurate. In every situation there are so many variables to the reason for their scores that the score is overall incorrect.
Do you think that it is fair that people are still so much judged on their score on either an IQ or ACT test today even when we understand the circumstances? Is it worth having the quick fix of compartmenalizing people to judge them on an instantaneous basis? Could there be a potential biological solution to classifying people in a more genuine manner?
Hannah Perl (hannahperl94@gmail.com)
The Argument- Learned Mindset
Saturday, April 7, 2012
Argument - Talent vs Skill/Ability
While Shenk asserts that no talent or ability is innate and that talent is a product of persistence, overwhelming motivation, and a dialogue of environment and gene., there are many biological processes that seem to be innate, that require no practice at all. Some species of fish, when born, know where to swim and take the exact same paths as their parents, though they have never met them. Breathing is an automatic response, as are so many other things needed for survival. What is the difference between these skills and other talents/abilites? Include a discussion of evolution and current human biology and progression. Bring examples from the natural world and human society to back up your argument.
Emily Reinherz...ereinherz@aol.com
Argument - A Critical Period
Argument: Culture and Competition Breed Excellence
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Friday, April 6, 2012
Argument: Parenting Personality
Wednesday, April 4, 2012
Argument-Rain Man
Psychiatrist Darold Treffert thinks there may be "a little Rain Man in each of us" (90). Do you think the Rain Man in us or the environment has a bigger impact on our skills and knowledge? Would it be safe or affective to manipulate a brain in order to improve a certain aspect or type of knowledge? Think of how this manipulation would affect evolution in humans and in animals if this was done often.
Lili Malone (lilimalone@ameritech.net)
Argument- gaining personal desire
Jordan didn't achieve this desire until he was in tenth grade, while many gain this desire as a child, becoming prodigies. Do you think, between achieving desire at a young age and as an adult, one is better or more favored in nature? What are some specific differences between the environment that gives a child the desire and an adult the desire? Does this catalyst for desire have to continue for the drive to continue or can one incident change someone's attitude?
Lili Malone (lilimalone@ameritech.net)
Evidence- Finding your cultural twin!
Jane Rose 5-6A
Tuesday, April 3, 2012
Argument: Flower Power!
Jane Rose (5-6A)
Monday, April 2, 2012
Argument - Twin Studies
Discuss the reliability and possible flaws in experimental design of the study mentioned in the above quote in the context of Chapter Four (pg 72-83), The Similarities and Dissimilarities of Twins. Some things to include in your response are environmental factors and (early) development.
Emily Reinherz...ereinherz@aol.com